【世界网友】如果***赢得内战，那中国现在会是什么样？

CobraComander
I've been doing a little reading about theKMT recently, and did not know how hard they tried to take China back evenafter they lost the war. They were hiding out in Burma,Thailand, and Laos for yearsafter they lost, trying to launch little assaults. The U.S. supportedmany of these attacks. So I will assume that the U.S.had a lot to gain from a KMT governed China. Would China be like Japan today? Would China be a puppet state of the U.S.?
最近我读了一些***的资料，不知道他们在输掉内战之后想要再度光复大陆有多么艰难。战争失利后的数年里，他们躲在缅甸、泰国和老挝并试图反扑。美国支持了很多这样的进攻。所以我假设美国从***统治下的中国得到诸多好处，中国会变得和现在的日本一样吗？中国会成为美国扶植的傀儡国家吗？
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1、mrclub

Read up on the history of China under KMT rule. Not much willchange. Only poverty, hardship will occur, and people will still continue toflee Chinato overseas
仔细研究***统治下的中国历史。不会有什么变化。只有贫穷和艰难，人们仍会逃到海外。

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2、General_Zhaoyun

I remembering coming across a "pseudohistorical book" whereby it predicted what would happened if KMT stillcontrol mainland China.

The most likely forseeable scenario wouldbe that China would beseparated into two countries, just like north and south Korea. The KMT would ruleover most of China, whilethe CCP would rule the Manchuria or north-east China. The KMT-ruled China would become a prosperous developed anddemocratic nation (just like Taiwantoday), while the Communist state would still be a poor country.

Both the Americans and Soviet Union wouldhave their interests in Chinaduring the cold war. KMT-ruled Chinawill stand on the American side while CCP-ruled China will stand on the Sovietside. The Soviet Union will keep both Mongolia and Communist North-EastChina as a buffer to balance off their power and influence in the east. On theother hand, the Americans will make use of KMT-ruled Chinato balance off their power and influence against the Soviet Union.
（回复1号评论）我记得曾经读过一本‘伪历史书’，讲的是如果***继续控制大陆将会发生什么。

最可能预见的设定是中国将会一分为二，就像南北朝鲜那样。***将会统治大半个中国，而***则控制东北地区。国府将会变成一个繁荣兴旺、政治民主的国家（恰如今日之台湾），而中共控制的国家仍然民生凋敝。

冷战时期，美国和苏联将会在中国摄取利益。国府站在美国的一遍，而中共则紧靠苏联。苏联把蒙古和中国东北作为缓冲区，增强他们在远东的力量与影响。与此同时，美国也把***统治下的中国作为对抗苏联的缓冲区。

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3、baibushe

I think the KMT ruled China would be prosperous and developed, but notto the level of Taiwan todaysimply because Southern China is a much bigger area than Taiwan. The KMT would have a hardertime maintaining control and boosting everybody's living standards to those of Taiwan.Taiwanin this situation would also be less developed than it is now because the KMTisn't focusing so much on developing the infrastructure. The threat of invasionfrom the north may boost the development of the country, just as it has for Taiwanin real life.
（回复2号评论）我认为***统治下的中国将会变得繁荣富强，但不会达到台湾的水平，因为中国南方比台湾要大得多。***想要掌控局势并使每个人的生活条件达到台湾的水准将会更难。在这种环境下，台湾的发展也不必现在，因为***不能一门心思地进行基础建设。来自北方入侵的威胁将会刺激国家的发展，这就好比现实世界中的台湾。

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4、brightness

There was little chance of KMT taking back Chinamilitarily after 1949. However, if the KMT regime did not waste all its besttroops in Manchuria and northern China north of the Yangtze River . . . andperhaps moving capital to Hangzhou or Canton as Nanjing was indefensibleagainst attack from the north (being situated in the tip of land projectinginto the water, like Carthage, at risk of being pinched off in an encirclementfrom attacks against the hinterland both up and down the river) . . . then themost likely outcome would be similar to the two Koreas and two Germanies: apoverty-stricken communist state, and a relatively prosperous other state.Under those circumstances, it would be interesting to see how the communistnorth would cope with the economic challenge; if and when they'd start thereform programs in the northern Chinathat they control. There are arguments both ways: if CCP only had northern China, it would be more dependent on thesoviets, who started the reforms in the 1960's but proved abortive partly dueto conflict with Chinaunder Mao in real history.
1949年之后，***想要重新武力接管中国的可能性微乎其微。但***政府如果没有把最精锐的部队葬送在东北以及长江以北地区…或许会迁都到杭州或者广州，因为南京难以抵御来自北方的攻势（位于陆地和水域的突出部，比如迦太基，冒着被来自腹地和水域的环形攻击钳制的风险）…然后最可能的结果类似于南北棒和东西德：一个极端贫困的共产主义公家和一个相对富裕的资本主义国家。在这种环境下，共产主义北方如何处理经济问题将是一大看点；只有当他们开始改革的时候，他们才能控制住北方。一个双向的论点：如果***只占领了中国北方，他们可能会更依赖苏联。在真实的历史上，苏联于60年代开始改革，但结果证明是失败的，因为他们与毛领导下的中国发生了冲突。

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5、Houzai

And what about the various provincedialects? Would the KMT enforce a one Chinese language rule similar to Mandarintoday?
各个省份的方言该如何处置？***会不会像现在一样制定一个类似普通话的语言规范？

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6、Mencius

Yes. All Chinese governments after the QingDynasty promoted (to various degrees of success) Standard Mandarin as thecommon language. The only reason education was not adequately provided inMandarin before the 1950s was due to the endless wars between the warlords,KMT, CCP, and Japanese. Once the KMT had a firm grip of Taiwan and theCCP had the mainland under its unified control in the 1950s, the governmentscould finally implement Mandarin as the official dialect.
（回复5号评论）是的。清代之后的执政当局都把普通话作为公共语言加以推广（普及的程度各不相同）。这是因为在20世纪50年代之前，由于军阀、***、***以及日本人之间无休止的战争，使得普通话教育无法大规模地开展。19世纪50年代，***在台湾站稳了脚跟，***也统一了大陆，双方都把普通话作为官方语言。

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7、bayonet

we are not talking a separate rulescenario, we are talking that the KMT would have controlled over the wholecountry. I am not going to give any bold speculation. But, by logic it seemshighly unlikely that the KMT regime would wipe out the gentry class in therural area and persecute economic and cultural elites in the cities just likewhat the CCP had done under Mao's rule. Plus, the KMT wouldnot engage itspeople to the so called class struggle and wasted millions lives in the politicalmovements. There would be no great leap forward, no cultural revolution, nomassive destruction of numerous ancient buildings and heritages, no mandatoryincrease of population and no family planning thereafter ect.

KMT does have a degree of respect to the rule of law and to the intellectuals to which the CCP has showed no signs even till today.
我们讨论的不是分而治之的设定，我们讨论的是如果***统治着整个中国。我不想再做任何大胆的推测了。不过按照逻辑，***政权很有可能不会像毛领导的***那样消灭农村地区的士绅阶层，扰乱经济、迫害城市的知识分子。此外，***不会让人民进行所谓的阶级斗争，让数百万条生命成为政治运动的牺牲品。（国府统治下的中国）没有大跃进、没有嗡嗡嗡、没有大规模的古建筑和遗产被破坏，没有强制性的人口增长和计划生育等等。

***在一定程度上没有顾及到法治和知识分子，而***至今都没有付诸行动。

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8、Houyi

While I personally am a KMT supporter (mostof the time), I must say things may not be as peachy as you claim. Economicdevelopment in Taiwandidn't really start until the 70's, although one could argue that thegovernment was laying the ground work in the 50's and 60's. Even thoughmainland China provides muchmore resources than Taiwan,it's also a much larger land. It wouldn't be guaranteed to have an earlierstart on economic development than compared to the CCP. While I believe China would have a slightly better image abroadbut it'd be mostly because Chinathen would be on the American side, not necessarily because KMT is a"cleaner" government than CCP. Have you ever heard of the "whitescare" in Taiwan?
（回复7号评论）我是一名果粉（大多数时候），我得说事情可能没有你说的那么好。在70年代之前，台湾的经济发展还没有起步，尽管你可以辩解说政府在5、60年代打下了基础。尽管大陆的资源比台湾多，面积也台湾大，但（***）发展经济的时间不一定会早过***。不过我认为中国在国外的形象会有所改观，因为届时中国站在美国的一边，而不是***比***更加‘廉洁’。你听说台湾有过‘白色恐怖’吗？

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9、peger

I don't think things would be peachy, butthey would be far better relative to what actually occurred under the CCP.Economic development wouldn't be immediate, but would likely be a few decadesahead of what we see today given a non-Communist Chinawould receive a lot of investment from and trade with the U.S., Europe, and Japan. It would also benefit from acapitalist system thirty years earlier than it has, and would not have tosuffer Mao's disastrous economic policies. Yes, China is big, but it's managedto develop quite well since Mao died; it would simply have a thirty year jumpon said economic development had he not come to power.

While the KMT got away with quite a bit ofhuman right's abuses in Taiwan, none of it is comparable to the Great LeapForward or the Cultural Revolution, and they likely would not have been able toget away with it if the threat of a communist mainland wasn't constant (Notethat this assuming the Nationalists control all of China as per the OP'squestion; this is unlikely imo, and if North China is controlled by theCommunists, the KMT would likely be rather Big Brother-esque). Regardless, oncethe KMT's grip on power slips and democracy comes about, as it did in Taiwan and theother Asian Tigers, said human rights issues would be irrelevant as thegovernment that committed them would not be in power - No one is giving theSouth Korean government flak today for what Park Chung-Hee did forty years ago,after all.
我不认为（***）能掀起多大风浪，不过他们应该会比***治下的好很多。经济发展需要借助外力，届时我们将会看到一个非共产主义的中国接受来自美国、欧洲和日本的投资，并与之贸易，这需要几十年的时间。同时他们也会得益于资本主义体系而早于三十年完成（现在中国所取得的成就），不会遭受毛的灾难性的经济政策。中国的确很强大，但毛死之后才有所发展，在后***时代，仅仅用了三十年就取得了长足的进步。

***在台湾秘密实施的人权暴行，无一可与大跃进或者嗡嗡嗡相提并论，如果来自大陆的共产主义威胁没有改变，他们很可能不会这么无所忌惮。（假设***控制整个中国，大家的观点我不敢苟同；如果中国北方被***控制，***可能就会成为独裁政权）一旦***站稳了脚跟并推行民主，如同台湾和其他亚洲四小龙那样，那么人权问题神马的就是浮云，因为他们今后可能不会执政而推脱责任——毕竟现在没有人就朴正熙在四十年前的所作所为而抨击韩国政府。

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10、Huseng

Chinawould have a higher population probably. The Great Leap Forward and theCultural Revolution would not have occurred. I sometimes think China wouldhave been better off with a constitutional monarchy. Chinese culture lendsitself to having dictators, so realistically allowing for dictators of somesort but curving their ability to act unreasonably would be optimal.
中国的人口可能会更多。大跃进和嗡嗡嗡则不会发生。有时我在想，如果中国采取君主立宪制，可能会更好。中国文化为独裁者提供了土壤，所以实际上有些独裁者如果没有矫枉过正的话，这就是最理想的设定。

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11、Liubei

The PRC under Mao created:

1) A demographic timebomb. By firstenforcing centralized "industrialization" and then alternativelysuppressing the people during the cultural revolution creating a backwards"lost generation" of agrarian peasants who still haven't completelyrecovered. After this the population exploded and people were encouraged tolive impoverished agrarian lifestyles while other nations began rebuilding inearnest right after World War 2. Much of China's population problems couldhave been controlled through natural development. Developed countries have lesschildren naturally but instead Mao had this proletarian dream of farmers and steelworkerschurning out machines to fight the imperialists. He was an imbecile and itmakes me sick how many people still idolize the wretched little tyrant.

2) A foreign policy consisting ofbelligerence and hostility that nearly plunged the country into nuclear warwith both the USSR and the U.S. at variouspoints in the 50's and 60's. Not to mention it also created the NK crisis thatwe see today that may never be resolved without serious bloodshed.

3) A total regression of culture throughthe "cultural revolution" that effectively erased hundreds of yearsof priceless artifacts and statues. Not to mention killing or starving offbrilliant educated people from all walks of life.

4) During WW2 and shortly thereafter muchof the western world was at least sympathetic to China. There was a treasure troveof political and diplomatic capital that could have been used if the nation was_not_ Communist.


Under the KMT..what could have been.

Chiang Kai-Shek was no saint but at leasthe had the best intentions of people in mind. He was a political realist and abit *** about certain points but he had a pretty good legacy under his familyname when you consider Chiang Ching-Kuo who opened up Taiwan toeffective democracy.

If the KMT won Chinamight have been another asian bulwark against Communism like Japan was but it's much better thanletting Mao's insanity run roughshod over the people.

China'slegacy even today is still a sad one and even with all the economic developmentthe people are just a pale shadow of what could be.
毛创立的中华人民共和国：

1、人口定时炸弹。首先实施集中‘工业化’，然后在嗡嗡嗡中防止尚未完全得到休养生息的农民产生‘迷惘的一代’。接下来人口迅速增长，人们过着艰苦的农耕生活，而其他国家则在二战之后开始重建。中国的很多人口问题本可以在自然增长中加以控制。发达国家的孩子相对较少，而毛则让农民和炼钢工人大量制造机器来抗击帝国主义。他是一个白痴，现在还有这么多人对他无比崇拜，真让我恶心。

2、在50到60年代，中国对美国和苏联的外交政策不仅好战且充满敌意，数度把中国推到了核战争的边缘。更不用说中国所造成的朝鲜危机至今都无法解决，除非再起战端。

3、由嗡嗡嗡所引发的文化大倒退，数百年典章文物一扫俱休。更不用说那些来自各行各业受过教育的精英人士被杀害或者忍饥挨饿。

4、二战之后的一段时间里，很多西方国家至少都会同情中国。如果不是由***来统治，这些尚无归属的政治和外交资本就可以派上用场。

***统治下会发生的…

蒋公不是圣人，但至少他对人民怀着最美好的愿望。在政治上，他是一个现实主义者；在某些问题上则有些天真，他给他的家族留下了一笔丰厚的遗产，蒋经国把台湾变得民主自由。

如果***获胜，中国可能就会效法日本，变成对抗共产主义的又一道壁垒，这总好过让毛恣意妄为、践踏人民。

时至今日，中国所遗留的仍然让人感到悲哀，人民（的权利）与全面的经济发展并不相称，只是一个若隐若现的影子罢了。

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12、BigWang

I will say one thing, despite people'sargument about whether the Nationalist or the Communist had the moral highground. The Nationalist's power is based on support of the middle class, thebourgeoisie, the urbanites, the semi-intellectuals while the Communists power baseconsist of peasants, the working class, and rural population. One thing to keepin mind is that while you can make an arugment whether the Nationalist wouldhave given up power and started development earlier, the fact that so much ofthe power base was the business people would have forced Nationalist to adoptcapitalism and democracy sooner than the Communist.
我说一件事，不管人们争论***和***谁占据了道德制高点，***政权的建立离不开中产阶级、资本家、市民和部分知识分子的支持，而***则依附农民、工人阶级和农村人口。有一点需要注意，你们可以讨论***是否会放弃执政、更早的开始发展，事实上处于权力基础的大量商人则会迫使***早于***采用资本主义和民主政治。

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13、Liubei

I agree with this and it was a big mistakefor the Nationalists not to build up a cohesive rural support base. Then againi'm not sure it was possible at the time because the KMT was busy bearing mostof the brunt of the Sino-Japanese war. Plus there were lots of competingwarlord interests hoping to usurp power from the KMT as well. The fact of thematter is Mao and the rest of the "revolutionaries" played their handbrilliantly. I do give him credit as a military and social strategist.

However the biggest mistake the PRC madewas allowing Mao to build up a cult of personality. After the war they shouldhave ruthlessly purged him asap and put in reliable sensible people like ZhouEnlai in charge. Mao was a self interested radical. He had no place in acivilized post-war society. I'd even argue that Mao was a bit of a reactionaryin his beliefs too. He seemed to have this romantic view of the traditionalagrarian Chinese people rising up which is not unlike past revolutionaries inChinese dynasties.
（回复12号评论）我同意，***没有建立一个稳固的农村支持的基础是一大败笔。另外，我不确定那个时候（取得农村支持）的可能性有多大，因为***面临着中日战争的绝大部分压力而无暇他顾。此外，很多相互竞争的军阀也意图篡夺***的政权。事实上，毛和其他‘革命分子’则最大限度的保留了实力。我认为他是当之无愧的军事和社会战略家。

中国最大的错误就是允许毛建立个人崇拜。战后他们本来应该尽快地清洗毛，让周恩来这样的靠谱的人来掌舵。毛是一个自我中心的激进分子。他没有在战后建立一个文明的社会。我甚至敢说毛对自己的信念也有些许反对。他不同于过去中国王朝中的革命者，他用一种浪漫的视角带领有着农耕传统的中国人发动起义。

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14、In4ser

Without a doubt the latter part of the 20thcentury would have changed significantly, particularly the Cold War. I wonderwould he have left the CCP partition the north alone into N. China vs. S. China? I feel it is unlikely he would have made peacewith the Communists, as it has been revealed that the KMT had plans retake themainland even after being exiled to Taiwan. Who knows?

But lets say China becomes a partitioned stateit would likely be a would be drawn into spheres of influence under theirrespected 'patrons'. Weaker Chinameans more influence for Soviets and the fear of N. ChIna & Russia would bring S. Chinacloser into the arms of US. In all likelihood an Asian NATO would be formed, asVietnam would not beCommunist and is likely Koreamay not be either with stronger Pro-US presence in the region. Taiwan and Tibet would probably no longer beissues but I wonder about their sovereignty. Okinawa was offered to the KMT,and declined by Chiang Kai-Shek but Taiwancolonized by Japanwhere would it stand? Tibetmay or may not be annexed by N. China or maybe even by India.
毫无疑问，20世纪后半叶的变革影响深远，特别是冷战。我想知道他（指蒋公）会让***格局中国北方来对抗南方吗？我觉得可能性不大，他可能会与***握手言和，因为有迹象表明***在退守台湾之后制定了一份‘国光计划’。谁知道这个？

如果中国变成一个分裂的国家，那么对峙双方就会处于各自‘庇护人’的势力范围之内。中国越羸弱，苏联的影响力越大，北方和俄国的威胁会把南方推向美国的怀抱。一个亚洲版的北约很有可能横空出世，这样一来，越南不会变成共产主义，韩国作为这一地区美国前哨战的地位也会削弱。没有所谓的台湾和西藏问题，不过我怀疑他们的主权归属。冲绳被划给了***，但被蒋公婉拒，不过被日本殖民的台湾还会抵抗吗？西藏可能会被中国北方甚至是印度吞并，也可能不会。

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15、Lubomin

I suspect, that China would become an economicpower really earlier without communists' experiments. Big part of chineseculture would be saved. Chiang was a good administrator and I believe, he wouldbe better leader for the Chinaafter 1949 than Mao (in fact, it's hard to find a worse candidate than this Chairman...)."The Nanjing Decade", 1927-1937, was a time, when a lot of importantreforms were started. The biggest problem was an instability, warlords,communists, and soon Japanese attack...

KMT changed Taiwan, made it a rich anwell-prospering country. It also gave Taiwanian people democracy. I believe,that after defeating the military opposition, and definitely re-uniting China,Chiangs could do that with whole state.
我想如果没有***的瞎折腾，中国会更早地成为真正的经济大国。很多中国文化都将得以保存。蒋是一个出色的统治者，我相信49年以后的中国在他的领导下比毛要好很多（事实上，很难找到一个比这个主席更差劲的人选）。1927年到1937年是南京政府的‘黄金十年’，这一时期建立了很多重大的改革。最大的问题是基础薄弱、军阀、共产主义以及日本的进攻…

***把台湾建成了一个繁荣富强的国家，同时也把民主带给了台湾人民。我想***当时如果从军事上击败对手，重新统一中国，蒋公一定可以让整个国家（变得像台湾那样）。

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16、Borjigin Ayurbarwada

Honestly, these types of questions aretotally meaningless as mainland Chinais not Taiwan and hence wewould never know what the nationalists could have done in China.Taiwanese economic growth isn't just a miracle of the ROC; its economy startedoff better than those of China'sthanks to Japanese administration and the dynamics of that growth underJapanese occupation has not halted since Taiwan never suffered seriousdamage from war. The KMT received a centrally administrated Taiwan from theJapanese while left a war torn mainland where centralized administration waslargely absent to the communists.

Another thing is that the present growth inChinais built uppon experiences and failures, and should not be viewed separatelyfrom them. One thing which the PRC has that neither the late Qing nor the ROChad was simply the desire to be number one. It is this desire which pushesmodern Chinathrough all kinds of experiments and reforms with economic, social, andmiltiary matters. These take risks, but the result is that it will growstronger over time.
老实说，这些问题毫无意义，因为中国大陆不是台湾，因此我们可能永远都不知道***在中国未竟之事业。台湾的经济增长也不是***的奇迹，他们经济发展的开局比大陆略好，这得益于日本人的统治，在日本人的占领下，台湾没有受到战争的破坏，增长的势头一直很不错。***从日本人手中接手了一个集中化管理的台湾，同时又输掉了战争，把一个管理集中化的大陆拱手送给了***。（译者注：集中化管理centrally administrated，基层各司其职，高层统筹协调，代指民主；管理集中化centralized administration，高层发号施令，基层照章办事，代指独裁。二者的区别在于，前者是基层主动，高层被动；后者是高层主动，基层被动）

此外，目前中国的成长建立在经验和失败之上，不能孤立地去考量其中一方。还有就是，中国不像晚清或者民国那样仅仅渴求第一，而是通过经济、社会和军事等各种尝试和改革来推动中国的现代化。这将冒着很大的风险，但随着时间的推移，中国会变得愈加强大。

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17、hpyp
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Well said. It is worth noting that Chiangsecretly shipped massive amount of gold, silver and foreign exchange frommainland to Taiwanat the end of the civil war. Chiang Ching-kuo, son of Chiang Kai-shek andpresident after his death, was said to have written in his diary: “if we havenot had this gold in the early period of moving the government to Taiwan,it is unimaginable what would have happened. How would we have the stability oftoday.” Wouldn't that make one wonder how PRC managed to stablize and grow itseconomy, at a size many times bigger than Taiwan's, without the gold reservethat was stolen from them? What PRC has accomplished since 1949 is nothingshort of a miracle in the human history, even dwarfing the so-called "Taiwanmiracle".
（回复16号评论）说得好。值得注意的是，内战后期，蒋秘密用船把大量的黄金、白银和外汇从大陆运往台湾。蒋经国接过了老爸蒋介石的衣钵，在日记中写道：“如果我们没有及时地把黄金运往台湾，奇迹就不会发生。现在的稳定也无从谈起。”不必对中国是如何稳定并建设经济而感到怀疑，大陆的面积是台湾的十几倍，会没有从他们那里偷走的黄金储备吗？1949年中国的创立无异于人类历史上的一大奇迹，所谓的‘台湾奇迹’与之相比也相形见绌。

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18、wredsa

Knowing Chiang Kai Shek's habit of beinggenocidal maniac and iron fisted tyrant, he would exterminate all the ethnicminority, and even kill of all non-christian Chinese. China wouldbecome another Philipine.
常申凯是一个种族灭绝的疯子和铁拳暴君，他会消灭所有的少数民族，甚至杀光不信基督教的中国人。中国将变成第二个菲律宾。

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19、mariusj

You know Chiang Kai Shek? Wow that isreally amazing. You must of been someone pretty important in ROC aren't you?How did you know him? Personally? Through job? Did you serve in the military?You wouldn't happen to know Zhang Xue Liang too would you? How about Mao? Areyou a personal acquittance of Mao as well?
（回复18号评论）你了解蒋公吗？哇，这是奇哉怪也。你一定是***体制内的人，对吧？你是如何了解他的？私下的还是工作接触？你在军队工作过吗？你该不会也了解张学良对吧？还有毛？你是替毛洗地的吧？

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20、wredsa

take it easy dude, it is just my opinion.He did commit massacre before in his life so it is understandable he might havedone more, with more power corrupting him even more. hope did not hit your egotoo much.
（回复19号评论）淡定，这只是我的看法。他生前拒绝承认大屠杀，所以可以想象他可能会做得更多，并且在权力的泥潭里越陷越深。但愿（我的话）没有伤到你的那颗玻璃心。

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21、Guaporense

Let's see, if instead of tiny taiwan acapitalist chinese state of 500-600 million people were created then we wouldhave today a new superpower. After a few decades north China would finally be absorbed by the economicpowerhouse in the south, just like the case of East Germany.

And no, the Chinese communist party wasn'tgood for the Chinese economy. Today the part of Sinitic civilization that isinside communist governments are the poorest parts, the parts with democraticwestern governments are the richest. Chinais growing fast but that's because the country had the same rate ofurbanization in 1980 as Europe had in the 17thcentury. In other words, Chinawas still a pre-industrial economy in 1980, with over 80% of the populationliving in the countryside and over 70% of the labor force engaged inagriculture. They produced steel, yes, but nothing else. The Soviet Unionproduced a huge quantity of steel, more than the USor Japanproduced by the early 80's, but the country remained poor and underdeveloped.
如果把台湾换成一个拥有5、6亿人口资本主义中国（指的还是南北分治），那么我们现在将会是一个新的超级大国。几十年之后，中国北方终将被经济发达的南方所吞并，东德的一幕将再度上演。

中共对中国的经济毫无裨益。在当今的中华文明中，被共产主义政权所裹挟是最贫困的部分，与民主西方国家有关的则最富裕。中国增长的势头很猛，这是因为中国在80年代开始了城市化，与欧洲17世纪的（城市化）速率相当。换句话说，中国在80年代仍是非工业化经济，80%以上的人口居住在农村，70%的劳动力从事农业生产。他们生产钢铁，没错，仅此而已。苏联在80年代早期生产了大量钢铁，比美国和日本还要多，但国家仍然很穷，不够发达。

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22、Dirt

China'seconomy would have liberalized sooner under the KMT. Whether China would bea democracy today under the KMT is dubious to me.
在***的统治下，中国的经济会变得自由化。我不知道国府统治下的中国是否会变得像今天这样民主。

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23、redstick426

The general election of 1947 and 1948national assembly and legislature seats (both chosen by popular vote) was a bigsteppingstone to democracy in Republic of China. Although it wasn't perfect innature, it was the closest thing to democracy that Mainland China has everexperienced. If it wasn't for the communist Invasion, chance for democratic China is not afar-fetched.
1947年和1948年举行的国民大会和立法机构的大选（都是由普选产生）是中华民国走向民主的重要一步。尽管并不完美，但起码无限接近民主，这是中国大陆从来没有做到的。如果不是因为共产主义入侵，一个民主的中国也不是可望而不可即的。

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24、redstick426

40 - 50 millions of souls would be savedfrom Great Leap Forward and Culture Revolution had ROC still maintained itsregime in mainland China.
中华民国如果没有丢掉大陆，大跃进和嗡嗡嗡时期四、五千万条生命就可以得到挽救。

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25、barnasha

And chinese culture would have beenpreserved from destruction. Remember that the communists literally made it apoint to destroy Chinese culture.
中国文化也将免于遭到破坏。要知道***在破坏中国文化方面可是煞费苦心。

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26、YummYakitori （新加坡）

I feel that if Kuomintang were to win andconquer down PRC, PRC today would be a more modernized country and therewouldn't be so much villages and minorities here and there and beggars on thestreets asking for money.

The citizens of Mainland China wouldhave freedom of speech and have governmental elections every now and then. Iactually kind of refer Mao Ze Dong and PRC to North Korea.

I'm sure many of you know about how KimJong Il brainwashed North Koreans and North Koreans cannot speak bad about KimJong Il. North Koreans also could not have freedom of speech and governmentalelections.

Look at Mao Ze Dong, you could refer him toKim Jong Il and refer the PRC citizens to North Korean citizens. But hey, afterall, it's not so bad anymore at least Mao Ze Dong allowed his citizens tomigrate and travel anywhere they want.

North Koreans could not even cross drainsover to China or South Korea.Secret militaries are hidden in the thick undergrowth by the riverbanks, readyto ambush any escapees. I mean, isn't that a bit too restraining for the NorthKoreans? They are humans! Not dogs.

But I am also not so sure why PRC wants tobe allies with North Korea,can somebody tell me why?
我觉得如果***当初战胜了***，现在的中国应该是一个更加现代化的国家，不会有如此多的村落、到处都是少数民族、乞丐在街上索要钱财等现象。

中国大陆的人民将会获得言论自由，不时还可以参与政治选举。一提到毛和中国我就想到了朝鲜。

我相信你们很多人都知道金正日对朝鲜人进行洗脑，朝鲜人不能说金正日的坏话。朝鲜同样也没有言论自由和政治选举。

一提到毛，你就会想到金正日，还有中国人和朝鲜人。但至少朝鲜不像毛那样让人们到任何想去的地方移居或旅行（指的应该是大串联和上山下乡吧）。

朝鲜人甚至不能偷渡到中国或者韩国。秘密军队藏在河岸旁边茂密的灌木林里，准备射杀任何脱北者。我是说朝鲜人身上的束缚是不是太紧了点？他们是人！不是狗。

但我不知道中国为什么要和朝鲜联盟，谁能告诉我原因？

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27、Optimus
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if KMT won in 1949, China would bemore or less the same like today PRC. there will probably be multi party systemand a more civilized society.
如果1949年***获胜，中国或多或少会和现在的中国有些相似。（中国）可能会采取多党制，同时是一个更加文明的社会。

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28、mingsquared

I don't share the optimistic view everyoneelse shares. If Chiang took control of China,then Chinawill fragment back into the warlord era. The sheer corruption of thegovernment, Chiang's ineptness at governing, and the cruel abuses against thepeasants would lead to mass rebellion. Chiang would try to steer China towards amilitary dictatorship and that will ultimately fail.
我可没有诸位这么乐观的期望。如果蒋控制了中国，中国将会回到四分五裂的军阀时代。政府及其***，蒋的拙劣统治和对农民的暴行将会导致大规模的叛乱。蒋会试图把中国变成一个军政府，并最终失败。