【越南网友】越南网友网上回答各国网友中越历史及中越关系（二）

EastSea（越南）

Our history book, Original title; is stated that: our people is outside of Bai Yue, our land north point reached to Dong Ding Lake in China.

我们历史书是这样写的：我们民族在百越之外，我们的领土北至中国的洞庭湖。

Vietnamese is belong to South East Asia people. We proud for that. Don’t lie.

In Vietnam is printed the book, ” The Malayo Original roots of Vietnamese Nation”.

越南人属于东南亚人，其实我们引以为豪，这可不是撒谎哦

越南教科书上是这么写的：越南民族的马来原始根源

EastSea（越南）
Southern Chinese and Vietnamese are two different race or ethnic.

Zhao Tuo created Nan Yue Guo, and then he attacked on , annexed our land to Nan Yue Guo.

中国南方人和越南人是两个不同的民族

赵佗建立了南越国，后来攻打越南，把我们的领土并入南越国。

ChineseTiger1986（中国）
Baiyue culture was in fact one of the cultural heritages from China, i hope that we could maintain its rightful legacy and don’t let it getting stolen by the Vietnamese Ultranationalists.

事实上，百越文化是中国的文化遗产之一。我希望我们能保持其合法的遗产，别让越南极端民族主义者给偷走了。

EastSea（越南）
Baiyue culture ís going to dísappear if you, Yue people cant regain your independence from rule of Hans

如果你们再不从汉人手中获得独立，百越文化将会消失。

Viet（越南）
Actually we don´t have bad feelings towards our previous enemies… old days, luckily long gone, opponents yesterday, friends today.

Despite Vietnam still face many challenges, I am pretty sure, we can manage that. As for Bitexco Financial Tower, it is really beautiful, especially at night.

我们对以前的敌人并不心存芥蒂，所幸这是很久以前的事情了。昨天的对手，已经变成今天的朋友了

尽管越南仍然面临许多挑战，但是我确信我们能够应付。至于胡志明市的Bitexco金融大厦，其实真的很漂亮，特别是在晚上（三泰虎注：Bitexco大厦，高达269米，是越南最高建筑）

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ephone（中国）
When stalin showed his tendency to control China, Chairman told him to fxxk off.

both vn and nk are double-faced ignorant fxxk. they licked the axx of ussr while it was powerful and can sent them support.

while ussr collapsed, both p.o.s. came back to kowtow to Beijing for food, money and support.

Both are worse than dogs. Even dogs have their loyalty.

当斯大林表现出要控制中国的倾向时，毛叫他滚蛋

北越和南越都是两面三刀的无知者。苏联强大时，能够给其提供支持，他们就跪舔。

当苏联奔溃后，他们就转而向北京叩头，乞求粮食和金钱援助。

北越和南越都是狗都不如，就连狗也懂得忠诚

Viet（越南）
amazing…look yourself at a mirror, double-faced suits more to your character during the war. China´s goal was to keep Vietnam weak and divided (Korean model), while Vietnam wanted to expell the Americans and seek re-unification. Only the Soviets delivered what North Vietnam needed to win the war.

Ho Chi Minh knew that.

啧啧！照镜子去吧。两面三刀最适合你们在战争中表现出的性格。中国的目标是对越南采取朝鲜模式一分为二，让越南一直弱下去。而越南期望赶走美国人，追求重新统一。只有苏联人给了北越赢得战争的所需帮助。

胡志明当时看清了这点。

EastSea（越南）
China is typical double face ignorant, betrayal in policy, you kiss @ of Stalin and Soviet, socialist countries to help you win on civil war in China. You betrayed all of your allies in cold war. China used NK and Vietnam like black chess to bargain with USA to open fence to mad dog run out to relax. But I reminder you that don’t run out too far.

中国是典型两面双刀的无知者，背叛其政策。你们当时讨好斯大林和苏联，图的是社会主义国家帮助你们打赢内战。冷战时，你们背叛了所有盟友。中国把朝鲜和越南当做棋子，与美国讨价还价。

我提醒你们，别太超过了。

peaceful
You forgot one very very important aspect: for the vast majority of the human history, we lead the world.

你忘记了一个非常重要的方面，即在人类历史的长河中，我们大多数时候领先世界

EastSea（越南）
What kind of brainwashed boy you are.

Chinese were ruled by Mongolian and Manchus, Japanese etc… recently.

好一个被洗脑的娃啊

中国人先后被蒙古人和满洲人统治，最近的是日本人。

ChineseTiger1986（中国）
Vietnamese girl looks Malay, not Baiyue, but don’t get me wrong, Malay girls can be very beautiful looking

越南女孩看起来像马来人，不像百越人。不过别误解了，其实马来西亚女孩挺漂亮的

Viet（越南）
Viet girls look like Malaysian ones? really? I just wonder why horde of Chinese seek brides in Vietnam and not in Malaysia?

越南女孩看起来像马来西亚女孩？真的吗？我就纳闷了，为什么一大群中国人来越南找新娘，干嘛不去马来西亚找？

ChineseTiger1986（中国）
Only the poor Chinese peasants who can’t get a wife go after the Vietnamese brides.

So it is easier to marry a Vietnamese bride than a Malaysian one.

只有找不到老婆的贫穷中国农民才会找越南新娘。

娶越南新娘比娶马来西亚新娘更容易。

Viet（越南）
poor Chinese seem to be in million if not even in tens of millions, because Chinese girls expect future husbands to have job, house and a lot of money. by the way, have you ever been in Vietnam and Malaysia? what is the difference of Viet and Malay school girls?

贫穷的中国人没有千万计，也有百万计吧。中国女孩期望未来的丈夫有待遇丰厚的工作，有房子住，有很多存款等。

顺便说下，你去过越南和马来西亚吗？两国的女孩有什么不同之处吗？


ViXuyen（越南）
Regarding Vietnamese phenotypes, I would say we’re very diverse looking ranging from East Asian, Mainland Southeast Asian, maritime SE Asian, Hispanic, to mixed with Caucasian. Not just Vietnamese but I would say most SE Asian are very diverse looking. The only Asian that have the “yo all look the same” is the East Asian groups.

就越南人的表现型，我要说我们长相各种各样，有东亚型、东南亚大陆型、东南亚海洋型、西班牙型以及高加索的混血。不仅是越南人，其实大多数东南亚人都是如此。亚洲唯一长相看起来一样的是东亚族群。

EastSea（越南）
no need to say like that. Let chinese go to Malaisia and to Africa to do their job as Human trafficker, let our rural area girls in peace.

没必要那样说。让中国人去马来西亚和非洲从事他们人口走私的工作吧，饶了我们的农村女孩，让她们好好享受清静。

Wholegrain（台湾）
The Mongols lost the war to the Chinese Tran dynasty. The Tran Prince who defeated the Mongols even knew how to speak Chinese and could perfectly imitate a Chinese monk

蒙古人输掉了对中国陈朝（？）的战争。击败蒙古人的陈朝王子甚至会说中文，而且装扮中国和尚还挺像的。

ViXuyen（越南）
Which Tran Prince who defeated the Mongols could speak Chinese? Spare me your secondary sources crap. Stop giving me secondary amateur sources will ya? If having 0.0000001% Chinese blood is considered as the “Chinese” Tran dynasty then I guess I have to call myself as “Cham” since highly likely I have Cham blood mghaha: Let me remind you that the Chinese with 100% Chinese blood lost badly to the Mongols

The Chinese Tang dynasty on the other hand is 75% Turkic blood especially Taizong LOL; that’s the real deal:omghaha: The Tang dynasty is mostly a Turkic dynasty

哪个击败蒙古人的陈朝王子会说中文？别给我提供二手的资料来源。如果身上流着0.0000001%中国人血液就被认为是中国人，那么我也可以自称“Cham”人了，因为我身上也很可能流有中国人的血。

提醒你一下，血统100%纯正的中国人被蒙古人打得可惨了。

另一方面，中国唐朝统治者的血统75%来自突厥，特别是唐太宗，哈哈。唐朝很大程度上是突厥王朝

Wholegrain
In China and Vietnam, descent is traced through the father. Both China and Vietnam are patriarchal and patrilineal. The Tang Emperor’s paternal line (through their father) is Chinese, their mothers were Xianbei (who were either Turkic or Mongolic). The Tang Emperors claimed direct paternal desent from Laozi.

You have a massive population of ethnic Chinese (Minh Huong) who are descended from Chinese only in the male line through their father, their mother’s lineage is Vietnamese and they’ve been breeding in Vietnam for over 400 years, so they should be 0.000000000000001% Chinese. And you still regard them as Chinese and EastSea even said that they are registered by their father’s lineage today.

The Tran Emperors were descended from Chinese in their paternal line through their fathers. Their clan origin is from Fujian in China and not Vietnam.

The Ottoman Sultans had Serbian, Greek, Romanian, and Ruthenian wives. They didn’t marry Turkish wives. Since they married these non-Turkish women for over 500 years and their heirs were born through those women, the Sultans were 0.0000000001% Turkish blood only in the paternal line. And they were still called Turkish.

在中国和越南，血统都是父系继承的。唐朝统治者的父系血统来自中国人，母亲是鲜卑人。唐朝皇帝自称是老子的直系后代。

越南有众多的华人，他们的父系祖先是中国人，母系血统来自越南人，在越南繁育了400多年，所以他们应该是只有0.00000001%血统的中国人。

陈朝皇帝的父系祖先是中国人，家族起源于福建，而不是越南

奥斯曼帝国统治者的妻子有塞尔维亚人、希腊人、罗马尼亚人和鲁塞尼亚人，他们并未娶突厥妻子。500多年后，他们身上只有0.00000001%的突厥血统残留了。但是他们仍然自称突厥人

ViXuyen（越南）
Nobody cares if you claim from your paternal or maternal from your culture, what defines your ethnicity is the % of your blood. The Tran dynasty had 0.000001% Chinese blood in them while 99.99999% is Vietnamese blood so no nutcase would make a claim that a person who is 99.09999% Vietnamese by blood is a chinaman. Your Tang dynasty is 75% Turkic blood so it is nothing but a bunch of Turks who ruled China. On the other hand, you won’t even find one Vietnamese dynasty or leader who has more than 5% Chinese blood in them.

What defines you as a Chinese in Viet Nam is both your parents must be Chinese and that is the ethnic Hoa. The Minh Huong is a term that refers to a group of Vietnamese who once had a Chinese ancestor in them some hundreds of years ago so they would be again 99.999% blood by Vietnamese with a drop of Chinese in them. You Chinese sure have a wonderful way of defining ethnicity, as long as person has 0.00000001% Chinese blood in them then that person is a chinaman. WTF

没有人会关心你们是靠父系继承还是母系继承，决定你们种族身份的是血统。陈朝统治者只有0.000001%的中国血统，99.9999%是越南血统。没有哪个疯子会说身上流着99.99999%越南血统的人是中国人。唐朝统治者75%的血统来自突厥，所以其实是一群突厥人在统治中国。另一方面，你找不出一个越南朝代的统治者身上流的血液5%以上是中国血统的。

在越南，决定你是否是华人的根据是你的父母必须都是华人。“Minh Huong”指的是这样一群人，即他们几百年前曾经有一位中国祖先，他们身上99.9999%的血液来自越南，只有一滴血来自中国人。

你们中国人定义种族划分的方法倒是奇葩，身上只要有0.00000001%的中国血液，那么这个人就是中国人。

译文来源：三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com/2014090503.html

peaceful
Every year, tens of thousands of vietnamese risk their lives to illegally cross the Chinese border to work in China and earn the Chinese minimum wage.

At first, I didn’t realize the rationale behind this, I mean why vietnamese would rather move to an enemy state and work there. The I saw this, a small small city called Nan Ning on the border, it answers all my questions.

每年有成千上万越南人冒着生命危险非法越过边界进入中国务工，赚取中国的最低工资。

一开始，我并未认识到背后的原因。我是说为什么越南人宁愿前往敌国工作呢。当看了边界上一座叫做南宁的小城后，我的所有问题迎刃而解了。

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ViXuyen（越南）
There are Vietnamese workers in china because chinese businesses lowball the wages, not because chinese workers don’t want to earn their minimum wages. For a country that its citizens sell organs to get an Iphone, for sure there ain’t jobs to spare even if it is a minimum wage job
之所以有越南工人去中国，是因为中国企业虚报工资，而不是因为中国工人不愿意拿最低工资。在一个其公民为了iphone而卖肾的国家，当然有工作就会有很多人抢，即便拿的是最低工资。

EastSea（越南）
Don’t troll idiot gays,

Chinese in Africa: Chinese Men Marry African Wife

蠢货，别在这里钓鱼

在非洲的中国人：中国男人娶非洲妻子

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peaceful
You have to question the regime why they failed vietnam so badly.

History of Vietnam? Sure, let’s go back to the morning of 1984-07-12 when over 3700 vietnamese troops were eliminated by the PLA with almost zero PLA casualty.

You have to question the regime in Vietnam why this incident is still regarded as a national secret. 3700 vietnamese died for its nation, yet as of today their deaths are still considered as a secret!

你还是去问问你们政府吗，为什么越南如此失败。

越南历史？好吧，让我们回到1984年7月12日的早上，当时3700多名越南士兵被PLA消灭，而PLA零伤亡。

你还是去问你们政府，为什么这起事件至今仍被视为国家机密。3700名越军为国家献身，却至今被视为秘密！

ViXuyen（越南）
3700 Vietnamese troops died in one battle? Sure, it is a “secret” to this day because there is no secret to begin with when no Viet believe in this b.s

3700名越军在一次战斗中阵亡？当然，这是“秘密”啦，因为一开始就没秘密可言，越南人根本就不信这个胡说八道

ViXuyen（越南）
For the entire second Sino-Viet war, Viet Nam lost 1700 troops and now you claim that 3700 Viet troops died in one battle; you can’t expect us to buy this kind of crap.

在整个第二次中越战争中，越南损失了1700名士兵，你现在却说越军在一次战斗中就报销3700名士兵。别指望我们会相信你们的鬼话。

vK_man （印度）
That’s why we call them 50 cent army..

所以说我们称他们为五毛党