【英国网友】政治：乌克兰提名新部长组建新政府，俄罗斯部队处于警戒状态

(Reuters) - Ukraine's protest leaders namedthe ministers they want to form a new government following the overthrow ofPresident Viktor Yanukovich, as an angry Russia put 150,000 troops on highalert in a show of strength.

（路透社）——在推翻总统亚努科维奇后，乌克兰抗议领袖们任命新的部长来组成他们所想要的新政府，而愤怒的俄罗斯为了展示自己的实力而让15万军人处于警戒状态。

President Vladimir Putin's order onWednesday for soldiers to be ready for war games near Ukraine was the Kremlin'sboldest gesture yet after days of sabre rattling since its ally Yanukovich wasousted at the weekend.

普京周三发布命令，要求士兵们做好在乌克兰附近进行战争的准备，这是其盟友亚努科维奇于周末被驱逐后，克林姆林宫所做出的最大胆举动。

Moscow denied that the previouslyunannounced drill in its western military district was linked to events in itsneighbor but it came amid a series of increasingly strident statements aboutthe fate of Russian citizens and interests.

莫斯科否认在其西部军事地区突然举行的军事演习与乌克兰发生的事件有关，但是在这期间，俄罗斯就在乌克兰的俄公民以及俄国家利益问题发表了一系列越来越刺耳的声明。

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry warnedMoscow that "any kind of military intervention that would violate thesovereign territorial integrity of Ukraine would be a huge - a gravemistake".

美国国务卿克里警告莫斯科“任何违反乌克兰主权完整的军事介入都将是一个巨大且严重的错误”。







WestFlorida wrote:
Is there a fear that the Ukraine willinvade Russia?

有没有担心乌克兰将会入侵俄罗斯？

Feb 26, 2014 8:35amEST -- Report as abuse
james1611king wrote:
Putin is getting ready to show the truenature of ANY government, its fangs of force against liberty. Obama would do nodifferent if liberty began to spread here. If Americans were able to go to DCand shut it down, Obama would show the government’s fangs of force just asPutin is getting ready to do. In reality, Obama and Putin are no different thanthe dictator in North Korea. FORCE has always been the means of government.Early Americans protected their liberty from the force of King George, but weNOW have King George in every county tenfold.

普京将要准备展示任何政府的真正本质，也就是利用武力对抗自由。如果自由之花在美国开放，奥巴马同样不会坐地不管的。如果美国人想去华盛顿并关闭白宫，那么奥巴马也将会像普京准备做的那样利用武力犬牙来镇压自由。实际上，奥巴马和普京与朝鲜的独裁者毫无二致。武力总是政府会采取的手段。早期美国人保卫自己的自由免遭乔治国王的侵蚀，但是如今每个国家都拥有十倍的乔治国王。

Feb 26, 2014 8:58am EST -- Reportas abuse
sabrefencer wrote:
the Russians are preparing to enter theUkraine..Putin senses the weakness of Obama and the EU..Hope the Ukrainians arepreparing for this potential illegal action upon a sovereign state…good luck,hope the Georgians react in a bid for their complete freedom, while Putin’seyes are on taking the Ukraine into his fold..

俄罗斯人准备进入乌克兰，普京看清了奥巴马和欧盟的弱点。。。希望乌克兰人准备好应对这一潜在的侵入。祝好运。趁着普京目前把注意力集中在乌克兰的时机上，希望格鲁吉亚人为了取得完全的自由而开始行动起来。

Feb 26, 2014 9:19amEST -- Report as abuse
albertjazz wrote:
Putin and the former Soviet Union cannotlet go.It all finished when the Wall Came Down,get used ot it !!

普京和前苏联是不会放手的，墙倒塌下来后，一切就都结束了，认命吧。

Feb 26, 2014 9:39amEST -- Report as abuse
longtail wrote:
Yanukovich was a close buddy of Vlad’s andpart of his rebuilt Soviet Union plan. This could get messy if the Ukraine isgoing to insist on good government.

亚努科维奇是普金的亲密战友，也是他重塑苏联计划的一部分。如果乌克兰坚决要建立一个好政府，那就不好办了。

Feb 26, 2014 10:20amEST -- Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:
This may end up with the same type ofsolution as in Armenia and Georgia. The Russian army “rescues” Russian-speakingcitizens, and then permanently carves out a large piece of territory from theother state. Although there will be many protests, and condemnations, and soon, particularly in Europe, in the long-term, nothing will happen. No one willlift a finger to stop them. Although this seems like a terrible option, it islikely. One might argue, perhaps, that the Ukraine is so divided between Eastand West that it might be better to divide up the country, or seek a type offederal solution. But this type of solution will not be allowed by theUkrainian nationalists, so we have a bitter conflict on the horizon.

最终的结果可能和亚美尼亚以及格鲁吉亚一样。俄罗斯军队“拯救”讲俄语的市民，借此把一大片土地从某个国家分离出来。虽然可能会面临抗议和谴责等，特别是来自欧洲方面的，可是长期来看，什么事情都不会发生。没有人将可以阻止他们。尽管这看起来很糟糕，但却非常有可能。有人可能会说乌克兰内部东、西阵营分裂的如此严重，所以分裂成两个国家也无妨，或者成立联邦国家。但是乌克兰民族主义者是不会允许这样的解决方案的，所以未来的斗争将更加激烈。

Feb 26, 2014 10:24amEST -- Report as abuse
Mobster wrote:
Russia and the Soviets had already(together with Germany) used the accusation of Fascism to invade anothercountry.

俄罗斯和前苏联（和德国一道）之前就已经利用对法西斯主义的指控来侵略另外一个国家了。
（译著：二战后，俄联邦最高苏维埃以克里米亚鞑靼人在战争中同德国纳粹合作为借口，将鞑靼族整体迁往中亚等地，自治共和国也改为克里米亚州。1944年，鞑靼人的“克里米亚苏维埃社会主义自治共和国”（Crimean A.S.S.R.）因被指控与德国纳粹勾结而被废除。1945年约有35万鞑靼人被流放到中亚和西伯利亚。尽管1967年在法律上为他们恢复了名誉，但不允许他们回到克里米亚。1980年代末和90年代初，由于苏联解体，许多鞑靼人重返克里米亚定居。）


Feb 26, 2014 10:38amEST -- Report as abuse
DominicPaz wrote:
Sometimes you think you finally have foundthe depths of what a piece of crap society Russia is, and how far they’rewilling to go to screw over their neighbors … then an opportunity like thiscomes along and you realize it actually goes further.

They’re still stuck in the Cold War days doing stuff like this thatAmerica was doing to Latin America way back in the 70′s and 80′s.

有时候你觉得自己终于发现俄罗斯这个社会是多么的垃圾，以及他们是多么愿意糟蹋自己的邻居。。。然后，突然又出现了这样一个机会，然后你意识到其垃圾程度比你想象的可能还要深。
事到如今21世纪的今天，他们依旧深陷冷战无法自拔，依然在做着这样的事情，而美国也只是在70、80年代的时候对拉丁美洲做这样的事情。

Feb 26, 2014 10:48amEST -- Report as abuse
MrBlue wrote:
Russia and Putin are known for large scalemilitary exercises and NATO has been informed of the exercises and are stayingin contact to avoid problems. Of course Russia would want to protect it’sports, but they are not currently being threatened by anyone. Ukraine is not asmall country and has a huge population. Statistically it would require amajority if not all of the Russian military to occupy it. Think of the moneyRussia would spend! Businesses that originally believed Russia was a safe placeto invest would quickly leave. The Russian stock market would crash and isalready struggling as I’m writing this. The action would be perceived asreturning to a Soviet era and very few Russians want this. Military action byRussia in the Ukraine could destroy Russian standing geopolitically and mostimportantly destroy their economy. The Ukrainian country is too big a mess foranyone to handle. If Russia thinks the solution rests in using their militarylet them contend with a population in which many do not want Russia there.Dealing with the Ukraine could bankrupt Russia. I only hope that othercountries do not allow the Ukraine to bankrupt them too.

俄罗斯和普金总是在进行大规模的军事训练，北约也知道这些军事训练情况，所以有保持接触，以免发生摩擦。俄罗斯当然想保护自己的港口，但是其利益目前并没有受到威胁。乌克兰并非小国家，人口众多。所以要想占领，俄罗斯得出动大量军队。想象一下俄罗斯因此而花费的钱财有多少！先前认为俄罗斯是安全之境的投资也会因此撤资。俄罗斯股票市场将毁灭，而且就在我发表这篇评论的时候其股市已经处于挣扎中了。俄罗斯的这种行为将被看做是回到苏联时代，没有俄罗斯人想看到这种情况发生。军事入侵俄罗斯将摧毁俄罗斯在地缘政治上的地位，更重要的是会摧毁俄罗斯的经济。乌克兰的问题太大了，没有任何国家可以轻易解决。如果俄罗斯认为使用武力才是解决之道，那么就让它去试试，而且乌克兰有好多人都不喜欢俄罗斯。和乌克兰过不去将会使俄罗斯破产。我只是不希望其他国家也被乌克兰搞得破产。


Feb 26, 2014 11:19amEST -- Report as abuse
XianSheng wrote:
At the risk of sounding like the bad guyhere, it wouldn’t be so terrible if Russia does “take back” the Crimea or theeastern part of the Ukraine. Let the Russian lovers revert back to theirancestry and let the Ukrainians set up a new country in the west. Provided ofcourse that Russia and the Ukraine allow for a transfer of ethnic peoples totheir respective areas of choice in the Ukraine. It wouldn’t be so bad.

听起来或许像个坏人，但是俄罗斯如果真把克里米亚半岛或者说乌克兰东部“拿回来”，或许也不会那么糟糕。如此，俄罗斯情人就可以回到祖先们居住
的地方，而乌克兰人也可以在西部建立一个新的国家。



Feb 26, 2014 11:26amEST -- Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:
Ukraine is the new Romania. Come back tothe palace if you like, Yanukovich.

乌克兰是新的罗马尼亚。亚努科维奇，如果你喜欢的话，那就打道回府吧。

Feb 26, 2014 11:34amEST -- Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:
I think Obama should take credit for the‘fall of the Ukraine’ like Reagan tried taking credit for the ‘fall of theBerlin wall.’

奥巴马应该把“乌克兰的倒塌”归功于自己，就好比里根努力把“柏林墙的倒塌”归功于自己一样。



Feb 26, 2014 11:55amEST -- Report as abuse
s3b0 wrote:
Sad to see the distorted reality mostpeople commenting here live in. All your arguments may make sense, if you putyour blinders on concerning how this Ukrainian mess even got started. How blinddoes one need to be to just ignore all global events of the last 20 years. Ifany nation or entity has been pushing its borders to expand it reign, it is theUS, EU, NATO and IMF. Any powers pushing its will on people automatically is nolonger democratic, however spectacular they tell you their vision of how lifeshould be lived is. I lived in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War and I am livingproof that American an European propaganda have surpassed that of the Naziregime.
Please remember that is was Hitler thatfigured out that world domination could not be won by military force, but mostimportantly propaganda techniques. I DO NOT support in full all Russianideology as I feel that communism could exist whilst still respecting freedomand every humans freedom of lifestyle, at least those that are non-violent.Homo***uality is one of them, relating it to pedophilia is just ridiculous.This however does not put Russia in the basket of global domination seekers asso many commentators put it. For now, Russia reaction with a military drill isno more threatening than the joint American-Korean drills going on right now.Why is the West the only ideology allowed to flex it muscles towards others andis perceived as right, but if any other ideology does so, its terrorism? I amfrom the west and I do not believe our way is the perfect way. Yes we striveharder for equality, but equality can only exist if equality exist everywhere.The warped idea, that humans are somehow dependant on an economic system basedon money, will bring humanity to a war at some time or another. Just becauseyou have the money to buy the offshore expensive drilling equipment, does notmake the earths oil yours to sell to others.
I can go on for hours, but humanity willfind its way one day, most probably wars will be fought and people will die,but one day we will find our way.

看到这里的大多数评论者生活在扭曲的事实中，这真是让人感到痛心。如果不看乌克兰此次的混乱是如何开始的话，那么你们的言论或许有道理。过去20年来全球发生了什么事件，如果这都看不清楚，那一个人得有多瞎啊。如果有任何国家或者机构在扩张自己的势力的话，那么无非是美国，欧盟，北约以及国际货币基金组织。把自己的意志自动的强加在自己人民身上的国家就是不民主的国家，不管用的是多么冠冕堂皇的借口。海湾战争期间我生活在沙特，我可以证明美国和欧洲的宣传机器甚至都超越了纳粹。
记住，连希特勒都说世界的统治权无法靠武力获得，但是最重要的是要有政治宣传的技巧。我并非完全支持俄罗斯的意识形态，但我认为共产主义的存在是可以不以牺牲自由和人权为代价的，至少是那些非暴力的自由和人权。同性恋就是其中之一，把其同恋童癖相提并论真是可笑。尽管如此，俄罗斯也并非许多评论者所说的那样是在寻求全球统治的权力。目前为止，俄罗斯正在进行的军事演习并不比美韩的军事演习更有威胁。为什么只有西方的意识形态才能对他人指手画脚且是正确的？而其他意识形态这么做后就变成恐怖主义了呢？我是西方人，我不认为西方的意识形态就是完美的。是的，我们为争取公平付出了更多努力，但是只有全世界都平等后，平等才能真正存在。那种认为人类是以金钱为基础的经济系统的依赖者的想法只会使人类发生冲突。只因为你有钱去买昂贵的离岸开采设备，并不意味着地球的石油都是你的，从而有权力把石油卖给他人。
这样的例子不甚枚举，但是人类总有一天能够找到正确的方式，最可能的情况是会发生战争，人会死去，但总有一天我们会找到和平相处的方式的。